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Kulock 
...So... much writing...
(9/24/02 11:30 pm)
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Downloadable Trailer of Sonic Mega Collection
MC Exclusive...ish. :P At least, I haven't seen anyone else post about it, and if they have, ne, I've ripped it myself anyway...
Most of you interested have already grabbed the downloadable copy of the Sonic Advance 2 trailer only available streaming on the Sega.co.jp website (if not, you can find it at Sonic HQ). However, while I knew there was a new Sonic Mega Collection video out, no one seemed to have grabbed it, so I researched a few tools, and after a few false starts (grabbing only the audio tracks, for some reason), I've downloaded the original WMV of the high-quality streaming video from the MMS server (which programs like GetRight usually can't retrieve from). The middle bit is just some video clips showing off the games in their emulated "glory" (I wish they had shown at least a Spindash in Sonic 1 or something to calm my fears), but the beginning and end show off the interface, which is at least relatively pretty.
You're free to knick the video and post it up on your own websites, sure, just please credit the MC with a link back, okay? It's only fair.
The file is 3.7 Meg, and you can download it (and I ask you do DL it, not try to stream it) at:
http://www.mooglecavern.com/sega/movies/DVD_sonicolle_500.wmv
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Squiggles the chao 
Disgruntled Child of Chaos
(9/24/02 11:32 pm)
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This has been available for a while.
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Kulock
...So... much writing...
(9/24/02 11:35 pm)
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As streaming only.
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Squiggles the chao
Disgruntled Child of Chaos
(9/24/02 11:44 pm)
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Save to disk always downloaded a .wmv file (non straming) for me. Anyway, this emulator, which I am suprised it seems like emulation that a port, is better than DGEN (The best Mac emulator at the moment. Since this runs on a PPC, I serously hope someonw will be able to rip it to the Mac.
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Kulock
...So... much writing...
(9/24/02 11:50 pm)
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The actual file was located on a MMS server. It's sometimes difficult to find the correct programs to download files off that type of server directly, and Microsoft offers no saving option like you described in any of its programs.
I doubt it can be ripped, though, not until they get past the GC copy protection in the first place...
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ArtemusWolf
One of the only original
Sonic characters existing
(9/25/02 2:09 am)
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Why am I getting a haunting feeling of deja vu from this topic?
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BlazeHedgehog
As Anti-PS2 as they come
(9/25/02 2:31 am)
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I have no idea. Like I was telling Kulock, I'm not surprised that the "One readable issue" is "Sonic: Firsts" (for the unaware - it's a compilation of some of the big "first times" in the comic; the first appearance of Bunny Rabbot, first time Sonic went Super Sonic, and I think the first issue of ArchieSonic ever, among a few other moments -- I think it serves as a good answer to "Who the hell are these people?")
Who knows. There might be other unlockable and readable comics, too. (although I doubt full versions)
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LocalHMC 
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(9/25/02 5:11 am)
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Holy hell...on a slightly related topic, I logged into a shell I have to transfer the file there, and got possibly the fastest transfer speed, over the Internet, that I've ever seen:
And I mirrored the video at ssonic.nofw.org:1200/~localh/DVD_sonicolle_500.wmv
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BlazeHedgehog
As Anti-PS2 as they come
(9/25/02 7:26 am)
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Is it just me or does Spinball appear to be running faster than usual? Same goes for Mean Bean, I always picture those games much slower than how that video shows 'em.
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Squiggles the chao
Disgruntled Child of Chaos
(9/25/02 9:12 am)
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In INTERNET EXPLORER, I right-clicked and chose "Download link to disk". it worked for me.
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JinnaiGuy 
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(9/25/02 12:52 pm)
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is better than DGEN (The best Mac emulator at the moment. Since this runs on a PPC, I serously hope someonw will be able to rip it to the Mac.
I quote myself again the last time you said this; the GCN runs on a PPC chip from IBM, it's the PowerPC Gecko processor, not the PowerPC Macintosh. ;p (Just like the PlayStation/2 is not the IBM Personal System/2 from back in the day... POR IBM)
Therefore, NO, it isn't rippable and won't run a Mac. Besides, even IF the processor were a Motorola equivalent, that doesn't mean the program isn't written in some sort of Nintendo Binary format that wouldn't be compatible with MacOS. And let's not forget proprietary hardware, the worst problem of all.
Obviously, the emulation will be far superior then any typical emulator since first off its Sega, they knew how the stuff they did worked in the first place, and then over that they have a change to optimize their emulation for these games specifically to make sure they work 100%. (It may be possible to feed other ROM's into their emulation, but no guarentee it'll work.)
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Is it just me or does Spinball appear to be running faster than usual? Same goes for Mean Bean, I always picture those games much slower than how that video shows 'em.
Spinball in particular "emulates slow", which is some type of strange problem with something it must be doing. Played it on a real Genesis lately, Blaze? There IS a speed difference. o_O
Other then that, perhaps their emulation has video optimizations to prevent old cases of slowdown... ? Essentially making it outperform its original platform...
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BlazeHedgehog
As Anti-PS2 as they come
(9/25/02 3:36 pm)
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Last time I played Spinball on a real Genesis was 1994. ;p
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Squiggles the chao
Disgruntled Child of Chaos
(9/25/02 6:29 pm)
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Jinnai, according to Slashdot, the two are compatable. Unless I see any other evidence, I will continue to say that they are. Sorry, I trust slashdot more than you.
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Doom hero 
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(9/25/02 7:31 pm)
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I don't know why you people hate this game. It actually looks quite good to me o.O
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JinnaiGuy
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(9/25/02 8:18 pm)
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The PowerPC Gecko, which powers GCN, is very similar in design to the Motorola PPC G4, except for the fact that it does not contain the "Velocity Engine"
Dammit, you're close. Well, I'll still save the last half of what I said; it can't be done because it's a Nintendo binary accessing hardware that doesn't exist in your Macintosh (video processor / etc); it's still incompatible and at some point will require emulation of the emulator.
Though that's still inconclusive. I'd never imagine IBM, who usually gets deals with Intel not Motorola, would make a chip that was compatible in the other direction. However, you must note the way they write it out. It's "similar to in design". That doesn't mean the instruction set is identical, and that's the lowest keypoint critical to operation. Very rarely does a console use anything other then a heavily modified chip.
Because the original Genesis had a Motorola 680x0 core, that's the same chip used in Macintosh's past (and should be compatible in your current chip). However, if the instruction sets were completely identical, you should be able to run your emulation right off the bat at near perfection; the fact that you can't cleanly demonstrates that Sega modified the instruction set among other things to support special features specific to the Genesis, and I have no doubt this so-called "Gecko" isn't the type of chip you could essentially rip out and plug into your Mac.
But even if you could the software is still being written for hardware that doesn't exist in the Mac, for function calls probably to specialized hardware memory buslines that don't exist in the Mac, and making function call-outs to devices nonexistant in the Mac (joypad ports / the proprietary Nintendo disk drive / etc).
And the bottom line, that emulation is probably only optimized for GCN/Sonic operation, so even if it were ripped, it probably won't run anything else [well].
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Squiggles the chao
Disgruntled Child of Chaos
(9/25/02 8:43 pm)
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That data is slightly innacurate, since the chip ius actually a G3, thus the lack of a Velocity Engine. However, the only diffrence between a G3 of the same speed and the processor in the GCN are 40 commands that deal with input/output. It would be a relatively easy for an expirenced Mac programmer, if they could acess the binary, to rewrite the commands for a Macintosh using ResEdit.
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JinnaiGuy
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(9/26/02 12:24 am)
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I see, so you're a Mac programmer? :P
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BlazeHedgehog
As Anti-PS2 as they come
(9/26/02 1:06 am)
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Let's not forget that supposedly the GCN DVD discs are burned BACKWARDS, (and read backwards, too) which would require a custom-tailored DVD player, AND THEN there's the chance that beyond that, they're using even more copy protection on top of THAT.
Nintendo has tried to take every step to ensure you can't just somehow pop the disc into your PC and read all the files on it, which could be the very reason Nintendo ISN'T supporting online very strongly for the Cube -- using a Dreamcast and a Broadband adaptor, you can effectively dump a GDrom to your HD -- you load a special server-esque program into Dreamcast memory - It tells you to remove the Server disc, and insert a game disc. You plug the appropriate wires going from your Dreamcast to your PC -- and you browse it like you would an FTP.
And I'm sure that with this burn backwards method, if folks somehow found a way to get CDRs to run on the Cube (which is unlikely, unless you have a Q, they just don't fit -- and I seriously doubt MiniCDRs are anywhere within left feild of being able to store any Gamecube game even remotely well without heavy, heavy, heavy scaling back quality -- and DVD burners still cost a @#$&ing lot.) the same method via a Cube BBA would be applied.
So, unless the whole "burnt backwards" thing is BS, then the Gamecube pretty much seems nearly unpiratable for the time being.
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Squiggles the chao
Disgruntled Child of Chaos
(9/26/02 9:11 am)
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No, or course I'm not a Mac programmer, I've only been using them for 11 years. What makes you think I'd actually want to take my knowlege to the next level?
And I don't know about the burnt backwards, only that I can get an iso file to pop up on those discs in VirtualPC, buyt my mac rejects the discs (spits them back out after five trys at reading them).
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